i think the histrionics were not necessarily, but on substance he had ryan on the defensive all night long. >> dana: can i ask bob a question about that, though? >> andrea: yeah. >> dana: would vit been a base debate if obama had done better week before? because biden is trying to get out of the deficit that obama created in the first -- >> bob: that's exactly right. >> dana: biden had a different job last night. actually paul ryan's job was to appeal to seniors and to women. i think he nailed that. and so, whereas some of the other lines he might not have won the point, actually overall he won overall with his base, too. >> andrea: if the strategy is to rally the base, the base is women. the democratic base. war on women. they went in to this, pew research found that 51% of voters already had an unfavorable view of the vice president. he did himself no favors. >> eric: that is an important poll. i bet that number goes up after that. he was not likable. everything he did, the smilin smiling, smugness, he cut off paul ryan 82 times in 90 minutes. that is almost impossible to do. the ot